Spillin' Tea Across America: Indiana

[00:00:00] Welcome to Credentialing Chronicles where we spill the doctor's tea, honey, hotter than your morning coffee. And we're spilling it across America state by state and license by license. Oh, I'm Shannen and honey, she is Nyleen. And we are just a couple of sassy credentialing pros with front row seats to all this crazy chaos. Yes, from coast to coast fraud scandals to hospital drama they hoped you'd never find. Eh, but we find it girl.

[00:00:30] So grab your coffee, your compliance checklist and what Nyleen and let's get into it. Yeah, oh yeah. Well, Nyleen and Shannen sitting there talking about you while you pull up a chair. They holding everybody accountable. Welcome back to Credentialing Chronicles. Credentialing Chronicles and look who's together. Oh my goodness, are we touching her? Oh my God, she's real. What location is this not so exciting guys?

[00:01:00] We're enjoying a cup of tea. Yes. Turkish tea. Turkish tea. Turkish tea here in Iowa. We're doing a little recording after our live show. Hopefully you were able to catch it. It was amazing. I've never imagined. Could you imagine, ever imagine having as much fun as we did in Iowa, Nebraska? No, not in Iowa. I would never think. You know, they had this crazy corn battle going on. It was very interesting. I said, give me the tahin honey and we will meet them anywhere. I know. At this point.

[00:01:28] Yeah, it was really, really exciting. So we had a great time. Well, the one thing that I will say about Iowa that we can take away from it is that one minute we're at 90 degrees feeling beautiful sun and the next minute. It was like, it's like 50 degrees, 40 degrees. We're like dying. We need a coat. And we're like, are we in Kansas anymore? The wind is freezing. I mean, yeah. So, I mean the weather here, you guys are dealing a lot with the weather, but we're not talking about Iowa today, baby.

[00:01:55] No, we are in, what state are we going to go to next? The great state of Indiana. Indiana. We are still on the eyes. Yes. That's so exciting. Okay. So let's spill some tea on Indiana. Let's do it. So let's start with this. Imagine this. Okay. You're sitting across from your doctor. Well, let's just say it's a surgeon. You're sitting across from a surgeon. Okay. He's a surgeon. White coat. He's going to do surgery. Slick hair. He's doing surgery on me.

[00:02:25] I mean, well, you want him to do surgery on you. Oh, I want him to. Yes. I have asked for this. Yes. Okay. Is it like plastic surgery? Like, well, we'll see. Okay. Okay. Okay. We're not going to make it that specific. Like what am I getting? Bow ties? Big boobs? I mean, I'm ready. Side me up. He walks in and he has his white coat. Okay. He's confident and experienced.

[00:02:51] And everything about him says what you're in good hands. I'm going to take care of you. Cause he's well put together. Yes. I mean, I feel like that his jacket is iron, like with starch. Yes. Period. Oh, I feel good. Like this is going to be a good visit. Yes. And then, but what if I told you that that same doctor didn't just fail his patients, girl.

[00:03:13] He ran like, like not metaphorically, like literally ran or like he just disappeared for years. So, I mean, what, what we've been finding out really, let's talk about it is Indiana is one of those states where nothing feels chaotic, right? Everything is very steady. Like Nyleen said, baby, the coat was starched. It was white. It was representing doctor and you know, it's structured.

[00:03:41] And in that type environment, you feel everything is very trustworthy. That makes sense. You know, you know? Yeah. But that's why this story really works because no one was really expecting. What? What? To something like this to happen. What? Just break it. Spill, spill the tea. Tell me the tea. It's so hot. When a system feels safe, you know, really people stop questioning it. So let's turn this into our storytelling moment. Okay. Let's do it. I'm ready.

[00:04:10] So picture this during a small town clinic, let's say Southern Indiana, quiet routine. You're there for something simple, maybe like fatigue. Okay. Okay. Checkup. Nothing. Okay. Okay. Nothing alarming. And according to much multiple patient complaints, of course, never one. No. Yeah. Well, the first one never gets listened to. Yeah.

[00:04:33] Um, it was filed this year in 2026 and that's how it started for several men. So complaining. Yeah. So the men, and you know, it takes a lot for a man to complain. Yeah. So what was happening? Tell me. Well, in the exam, according to the initial reports, patients described being told that

[00:04:58] they actually needed a genital prostate exam, even when their symptoms didn't justify it. So like they would go in for whatever. And all of a sudden the doctor would say, I need to be a little bit more invasive. Okay. So like pause. Okay. So you're telling me I'm, I have an allergy. My nose is running. Yes. I'm using tissue after tissue. Right. I go see this doctor and he wants to check your prostate, which is like in.

[00:05:27] In, in the anus. I mean, do people know that? Do y'all know that in, in podcast world? Right. Yeah. It's very uncomfortable. What if you're in like your twenties? Isn't that like, don't usually over like 40 have to, or 50 have to have that done. I mean, I don't know. But what does that have to do with your nose, Indiana? I don't know. I came in for my nose is leaking. It has nothing to do with those, with your nose, with your booty. Right. Yeah.

[00:05:57] I don't understand. I'm lost. Well, that's where it shifts really from uncomfortable. Yeah. I'm uncomfortable. To really disturbing. Yeah. I would say. Yeah. And according to those same complaints, patient reported that the physician performing this would refer it to a stretch test. A stretch test. Is this a real episode that we are having y'all? Mm-hmm. This is a real doctor in Indiana. Yes. I was doing this. Yeah.

[00:06:26] That you researched. Yes. And when you were like looking up all of the. Stories. T. Yes. This is the T you put in my cup today. Talk about stretch test. Okay. Credentialing Chronicles. What are we talking? What, what are we thinking certified T zippers? Cause I'm, I'm in shock. Are you in shock? If you're in shock, comment cause whoa. Okay. Go ahead. I'm ready. Well, of course that terminology is, isn't in any textbook. No, this is not normal. No. And that's the, I mean, give me a better drill.

[00:06:55] That has nothing to do with the lower half of my body. Well, according to, of course, this then got reviewed by clinical reviewers. They said that there's no medical procedure matching that description. This man actually documented it is. But if a doctor says something right, that's the power dynamic that the doctors hold, you know, is that if a doctor says something, then automatically a patient says, Oh, that's

[00:07:23] needed because you're a doctor and you read the books. Right. Or they think that it's normal or that's the actual medical terminology. Patients don't know medical terminology. I know that my cold has nothing to do with my booty. That's true. You know? Yes. Well, apparently, according to the complaints, some of these patients, they didn't question it in the moment. Okay. I think they were kind of like shocked. Shocked. Shocked. I would be shocked. I would be shocked. It caught you off guard.

[00:07:52] And sometimes when you're shocked, you don't react. You're just kind of go along. And that is true. Yeah. So what happens is when you, sometimes you don't understand something in medicine, you just kind of go along with it because they assume that them as the patient doesn't understand what's going on. And them as the doctor does. And right. Yes. So maybe this allergy does have something to do with your booty. Maybe it does. Maybe it does. Maybe it doesn't. I lean. So we're going along right now. Okay. I mean, I haven't taken anatomy one Oh one. Right. Okay. Exactly. Okay. So then we're going along. Yes.

[00:08:22] We're going along with Nailene. So more details start aligning, like more things start coming to light. Okay. According to multiple accounts, some patients actually alleged that the physician failed. This gets even worse. I'm like scared to see what you're going to tell me. This is the episode you picked for when we were together. Okay. So he goes, wait, wait. So he says, listen, your nose hurts. I got to do a stretch exam. I got to go. I got to go. But then he decides that he's not going to wear gloves.

[00:08:53] No gloves. To check the nose. To check the booty. To check the booty. Nyleen Flores. Yes. Can you believe that? And that man got up and complained. So then I would. And that man got up and complained. Yeah. I wouldn't even have let him. Would y'all have let him? Like, come in. Like, tell us. Would you have let him? Well, can we just talk about the infection control situation? Oh my God. The infection control.

[00:09:24] I mean, he's Shannon. Oh my God. Fuji Lala. That's all I can think is Fuji Lala. And this is, this is where patterns emerge. Right? So according to investigators on this case, these men actually didn't come forward together. Like nobody was in the lobby talking. Like, yeah. Did he touch you? Yeah. Yeah. Right? They actually came forward separately. Different times. Okay. Different visits. So like the office manager or, or. Right. So no, no. So yeah.

[00:09:54] So the office and then eventually it escalated. Okay. Okay. And there were different visits, but they had all described the same weird setting and setup. So. So there's some validity to that. Yes. I'm really happy. We're talking about men because men are victims. Men are victims. Men are victims. And I know we do support women. A lot. And all the things. It's not even, I mean, of course we support women when we're women. Of course.

[00:10:21] But there's just a lot more cases available that are about women being assaulted. And it's harder to find the cases about men being assaulted. And so when we, when you really came up, your excitement about this case, because it's really, we get to show the other side of it and what it takes for a man to literally feel so uncomfortable that. He says something. That he says something. Oh my God. Exactly. So unfortunately this doctor continued practicing and continued doing this to multiple patients

[00:10:48] until enough complaints then accumulated. Oh my goodness. To then trigger an action. So what happened? I mean. Okay. So check this out. Cause this is just 2026 Nyleen, right? Yes. 2026. This is all new. This is all happening. Right? So we just, we did the research and we confirmed he was doing all of these exams. Like what? On with, without the consent. And it was prolonged and unnecessary. Genital exams.

[00:11:19] Again, they're going in for like on the men. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Mm-hmm. And then there was inappropriate touching and manipulation of the patient's genitals. And he was using multiple fingers during these exams. Nylee. Without an explanation. In the rectal exams. In the rectal exams. For these men. I feel bad for these men. I feel bad for these men. I feel bad. I feel violated for these men. Yes. It was really, really bad. So he actually worked for-

[00:11:47] And this is 2026 you guys. This is literally- Happening right now. Like, yes. I know that you think some of the stories, like it could never happen, but you need to understand that these stories are real. And this is a physician that is practicing medicine. And instead of practicing medicine, which is what he should be doing. Right. He's practicing his fetish. Exactly. And choosing the patients. Yes. In 2026. I'm sorry, but 2026. Well, he was fired. He was caught in 2025.

[00:12:18] Okay. He was fired in December from this big practice that he was at. Okay. Good. And then, good thing, kudos to Indiana. Okay. They actually put a pause. You know how we always talk about pause, pause, pause. Yes. If there's an investigation. Correct. So they suspended his license. Okay. In Indiana. Okay. Pending investigation. Yes. Because there is something going on. And so they actually, we looked up the license.

[00:12:44] Good thing is he has no other active licenses in other states. So, but on, you know, hooked us up. He did have. But on did say that he had an expired Kentucky license, but it's not practicing there. Right. So we don't have to worry you guys at Kentucky. Yes. So, which is good. And, uh, and it does also report immediate suspension of license. It's not terminated, but just a suspended, which is great. Good job. And so he was, according to the state of Indiana, he was found.

[00:13:14] Found in violation of code 25.1.9.4.a.3, which is actually, I know. That's a lot. I know, but I want it to be specific. I know you are. I mean, if y'all want to look it up, do y'all want to say it again? Yeah. Okay. All right. It's tied to disciplinary actions under the state's medical licensing law. Like literal fraud, right? Yes. Yes. And it actually is called engaging in fraud or material deception. And that's what he did.

[00:13:42] In the course of perfection, professional action. That's what he did. Yeah. It was deceptive because you went in for one thing and you ended up having something else. Oh my God. I just can't explain it. And so what does that mean? Like that just means that right now the court now has to deal with all this, right? So, yes. So it's all in litigation. So we're going to have to do a follow up to find out, you know, what happened. At least he's not practicing medicine at the moment. Yes. We hope he is not.

[00:14:10] Comment below if you want us to do a part two about this story. I mean, this is literally coming out of Indiana. Um, and I, you know, we're just trying to bring you stories and facts that are happening right now because we want you to, you know, MSPs need to know, keep looking, trust your gut. Right? Absolutely. Absolutely. Okay. So yeah, let's go. Do you have another story for me? I do. I mean, let's talk about the next one. I know I can't top what you've done. Okay. I can't top it. I can't top it. No, I can't.

[00:14:39] There's always one worse because you have, you know, the crime junkies, you know, that comes. So Nailene, Indiana has this ENT doctor. Okay. Oh yes. And he's, he's based out of Indiana and he has like hospital privileges. Like in several entities, several systems. Okay. Um, and he, and because of this Nailene, you know, and the ears and the nose and the throat,

[00:15:08] everybody has those. Yeah. Yeah. Like everybody, even the kids. Okay. Yes. And so because of that, they do treat kids. So ENTs really do treat a lot of kids with the tubes and the tonsilises. They take the tonsilises out. So anyway, just saying, um, because everybody has ears, nose and throat. The, he had built up a reputation. Like people was trusting.

[00:15:39] Apparently he had a lot of privileges that I did a lot of hospitals. A lot of hospitals. Okay. Okay. So, you know, he was married. Okay. He was like sexy. Okay. Yeah. Okay. He was successful. Okay. Okay. You know, he had his wife though. Okay. Um, and, and he wasn't like a random provider that had just came into Indiana to like, you know, sheisty. Okay. You know, like people knew him. That's what I'm trying to tell you. Okay. So you feel that in my story. I understand him. Got it.

[00:16:08] Nice ENT, successful, sexy, all together, married, got his life together. Treating everybody. Treating everybody. Okay. So now you mentioned he had privileges at a lot of hospitals. And surgery centers. Oh, okay. And surgery centers. Your favorite. My favorite. So, um, you're saying that he went through credentialing and goes through credentialing Austin checked by multiple locations. So not just one group of MSPs.

[00:16:38] This is what I'm saying. Yes. So that I'm saying that he, Naline, I'm saying that he was actively practicing and he was approved for so many different procedures, you guys, because there's the ears and there's the nose and there's the, there's the throat. And each one of those has so many procedures that can be done on them. Okay. So he had a lot of procedures. Okay. So this doctor, Naline. Right.

[00:17:07] So he's treating kids of all over. People of all ages. All ages. But then he is treating the kids. And the kids. Yes. Okay. So what happened? One of his victims that we had, that I did a lot of the digging for, she had came to him with a tumor in his head, in her head. And how old was she? She was eight years old, mommy. Our daughter's age. Oh my goodness. And her head, they said, Naline was three times the size. Oh no. Three times the size of her own head. This poor baby. And guess what he did to her? What did he do?

[00:17:36] He freaking kept doing surgery after surgery after surgery on her in his clinic, you know? Oh no. And so what happened was, is that the scar tissue and you know, all of the things from the surgeries, and then they started, you know, pressing charges and doing all these investigated things. And guess what Naline? What happened? Girl, he ran. Just like your doctor. He ran? Just like your doctor. Where did he go? But where did he go then?

[00:18:05] Like, not to like Missouri. No. He didn't run to Missouri. No, not like California. Mexico. No. No girl. He took a flight. So he went to Italy. Oh my goodness. The police found him, girl. Let me tell you, let me look at my notes really quick. He was caught in Italy. But by the time he had gotten caught, hundreds of people had already been coming forward and trying to sue him. Okay? He already had charges that they were looking and suppressing on him. So what were the charges for?

[00:18:36] Not even hurting this baby girl. No, because that's malpractice. So then what was it? It was fraud. Fraud. Fraud. Because they say, Nyleen, that he was doing all of these unnecessary surgeries to the people. Unnecessary procedures. Like, Nyleen, thousands of unnecessary surgeries for the people just to collect the money. That's horrible. And so the people didn't even have like problems that he was saying that he was surgerizing them for and he was literally getting paid from everybody.

[00:19:05] So then what happened after that? Yeah, no, no, no. So they got him. They caught him in the house. Let me cook. Okay. Okay. Let me cook. So then what happened is, right? He goes to jail. Okay? Okay. And the judge tells him he gonna have seven years. Seven years. Seven. So they caught him. They caught him in jail. They convicted him. They did. And he got seven years. Only seven. Okay. But then, you know how the system works where it'd be like time served or whatever. Okay. Good behavior. Good behavior. I don't know.

[00:19:34] You know, you do your job. Okay. But Nyleen, he only served like four, five years. Five years? Yes. And the mothers of the victims and the victims themselves, like how mad are you? Because now guess what? Nyleen Flores. What? He is out, you guys. Where is he at now? He's in freak. Where do you think he's at, Nyleen? Where do all the doctors go? Please don't tell me Florida.

[00:20:01] Girl, Dateline and one of the news stations were doing like the whole, you know, investigation. Guess where they found him, Nyleen? Where did they find him? On the freaking beach in Florida. Now, he doesn't say that he's like a doctor of medicine, but you know what he calls himself? What? The yoga doctor. The yoga doctor? And he says, you guys, this is what he advertises himself. Nyleen literally.

[00:20:30] He's telling the people that he could take them from being a nerd to being fine. And okay. And what? Because of yoga? Yeah. Because of yoga. Okay. Because they're going to be healthier. They're going to look better. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. He say Nyleen that you only like work out and do yoga and take care of your body for two reasons. What? Okay. The first reason is to look good naked. Look good naked. That's what he says. And the second reason is to meet hot chicks. And this is not us.

[00:20:59] This is not me saying it. It's literally on his website. This is how he advertises himself. Oh my goodness. And so this right now. So, but let me tell you the good part of this story. Okay. So one of the victims, she was a child, the eight year old girl that had the brain tumor. So she, once he fleed because he was in trouble and everything, other doctors, honey, rallied around her and they said, we're going to help you. Good. And they helped her and they removed a lot of the scar tissue.

[00:21:27] And I actually seen an interview with her and she's so beautiful now. Yes. But let me tell you even more. She's a grown woman, grown ass woman, honey. And because of these doctors that rallied around her and helped her, not because of the bad doctor, they literally, she is now a doctor. Oh, that's so sweet. She's a pediatric doctor. Oh, that's so amazing. And so, you know, even though she went through this horrible situation. Had a horrible experience. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:21:53] And so it's just like, again, this is all new, you know, this is this year or last year that they, all the developments come to it. Wow. That's a really good story. Shannon. That was some good. That's a tea in Indiana. It started in Indiana and then we took you to Florida, but still. Yeah. But still happened in Indiana. Wow. That is insane. Yes. So we're going to stay with the surgeon situation. I have a story to tell you for Indiana. Okay.

[00:22:22] So this is the kind of case that's going to make you stop mid sentence because again, we're going to keep it current. According to these investigative reports this year, okay. A patient's entered surgery for what would have been done a routine kidney stone procedure. So if you get a lot of kidney stone, they usually just do a, like they either get them out or they go in and they take out the kidney stone. Lipotrypsi. Yeah.

[00:22:51] You know, we're doing that routine. Yeah. We're not talking nephrectomy. We're not talking removal. Just regular. I mean, a lot of people get kidney stones. A lot of people drink a lot of water, right? We got to drink our waters. Okay. So according to these reports, something went catastrophically wrong in the operating room. Oh my goodness. And when the procedure was over, girl, you're not going to believe what happened. Mmm. Tell me. Both of the patient's kidneys were removed.

[00:23:21] Not one, but two. What could have gone? How do you take somebody to, how did he take two kidneys out? That's like, that's not catastrophic. That's like life ending. Yeah. That's like, now I can't process my urine. I mean, I mean, that's a problem, right? Yeah. Well, of course the patient, you know, I side notes. Okay. I did work in nephrology for 10 years. I remember that was one of your favorite doctors. Yeah.

[00:23:49] And I did have patients that did not have kidneys. Okay. But on the dialysis. On dialysis. Cause they were on dialysis and their life expectancy does get cut short. Mm-hmm . But unfortunately for this poor patient, he died. Mm-hmm . They removed his kidneys. Oh my goodness. And he did not survive. Oh my goodness. So that is, that is catastrophic medical malpractice, right? Absolutely. Okay. And that's exactly what the investigators are asking.

[00:24:18] According to healthcare analysts reviewing the case. Yeah. This is going to raise questions about surgical planning, intraoperative decision-making, verification of protocols. Like I know in the events of an emergency, you have to do what you have to do, but Lord have mercy. How many kidney stones did he have? Did he have stones in both kidneys? I mean, how do you have that much complications? I mean, even when they have like a large amount of stones, they do that sandblasting procedure

[00:24:46] where they go out and go in there and clean it really good. I mean, there are so many different interventions before removing a kidney. Before. Not less, not, not, how do you say that? Not less than two? I mean. Right. Exactly. So you're talking about when a case reaches this level of severity, it's really not just one mistake, right? It's a chain of failure. Cause there's everybody in the operating room. Right. Yes. How does that even happen?

[00:25:16] I know that you, that's why you're perplexed. Cause this is your room. I mean, the surgery centers, the operating rooms, this is, you, the checks. I mean, don't you mark the kidney? If you're taking the kidney out, don't you say I'm taking this side of my kidney out. Not that side. I mean, there's a lot of things that, that are us as healthcare people go through. Right. So these are actual cases that are happening in Indiana and actual lawsuit that is being found out about it. So then we were talking about surgeons.

[00:25:45] We're talking, we talked about a doctor. Um, then we also found there's another story about an Indiana doctor that was accused of inappropriate touching during exams, including breast exams. So we did the men and now we still find inappropriate exams for women. And well, I have to pause because can I just go back to the kidney doctor for a sec? Yeah. Yeah.

[00:26:10] Because you know how out of Florida just recently they have criminally charged that doctor. Right. With taking out the, no, no, no, no, no, no. Yeah. But it was the episode that we did. Yeah. The spleen instead of the liver and they have criminally charged him recently. Correct. And so this, you know, I mean, this is, I mean, this is sounded like, how do I walk in and leave with two no kidneys? You know, I mean, it's not just medical male practice anymore.

[00:26:38] It's like if people are in there doing malicious things, practicing maliciously, you know, there is starting to be this bridge of criminal prosecution for malicious practice. Right? Yes. You know? Yeah, absolutely. That's scary. It's scary. It's really scary. It's, um, gross negligence. That's the word gross negligence. Yes, yes, yes. And, and I mean, thank God, thank God that there is starting to be some criminal prosecution

[00:27:07] for it because people have been practicing some gross negligence for years, which is what we're finding out doing these investigations through credentialing Chronicles. So we keep finding these cases. We find inappropriate exams, unnecessary procedures, fraud, fraud, because that's all, you know, we find surgery breakdowns.

[00:27:29] And that is why privileging an OPBE or, you know, constant provider practice. And we're not just seeing important. We're seeing them happen in one area, right? We're seeing them happen in hospitals. Okay. We're seeing them happen in clinics. I mean, my sinus guy, he was a clinic doctor. He had a surgery center, you know, we're seeing him in operating rooms, you know, we're

[00:27:56] seeing him in the hiring process where they're getting through with fake credentials. And so really it's, I think the whole life cycle of the credentialing, you know, process needs to make sure that people are keeping eyes and ears open. Right? Yes. And that you have the Google alerts set. Yes. Google alert. Google alert. Because any provider touching you immediately changing. Well, you can see how fast the news changes and more things come out and things get released

[00:28:25] as far as what is happening with these doctors. So according to everything that we just walked through, really, this isn't just one bad actor, right? We're seeing all of these things, same breakdown and we keep seeing it state by state by state. Yeah. We're seeing it state by state and Eileen a hundred percent, but I can say, I mean, kudos to Indiana for acting. No kudos. We did use baton to look him up as well. I mean, we've, you know, really, really searched with all of these providers. And what did you find that Indiana?

[00:28:55] Indiana took action and took a board action and it is listed. It's easy to look up a doctor. We do have done states where it's hard to find the license, verify a license on a doctor. So we're very happy. Good job, Indiana. Indiana. And it seems like, you know, what I will say is that if Indiana is watching like the medical, the medical board here is watching, right? Yes. And if they are spotting things that are unsafe to patients, they are stepping in, um, and pausing practice until investigations.

[00:29:24] And I, we have to say kudos to Indiana because a lot of the states that we, you know, do these breakdowns, we, we don't see that. We, we see where they're allowed to practice until, you know, another system picks it up. Right. Yeah. So let's go to our PSA. Yes. Yes. Let's wrap it up. So for today, y'all, y'all ready? Get your notebook for real. Yes. Cause we have talked about so much. So PSA for patients. Okay.

[00:29:52] So, I mean, for patients, just think about the things that we talked about. There was so much inappropriate touching in Indiana that came out in some of our investigations. So much, you know, fraudulent practice, you know, that came out. So again, it brings somebody with you to your appointments, a chaperone, um, bring somebody, um, that can, you know, make sure that if you're going in for a breast exam, that they're not, you know, that they're using gloves and, and those things look for those things.

[00:30:21] If a provider removes his or her gloves, that is a sign that things are going in the opposite direction than right. Um, the other thing I would say, Google alert, like Nailene said, you have to put your Google alert. If the doc, if you're going to see a doctor set a Google alert on that doctor, um, make sure that you, if you feel that you are being touched in an inappropriate way, immediately stop, pull your pants up, put your shirt on and walk out of the room.

[00:30:51] Do not continue with this inappropriate exam. Yep, exactly. And report it. Yes. And the other thing I want to say is if a doctor immediately says, all you need is surgery, or you need a second or a third or a fourth procedure, it's okay to get a second opinion, even a third or fourth opinion. It's okay to get another opinion. Sometimes we just get complacent because this doctor is the closest or I only have to drive

[00:31:17] 20 minutes instead of my insurance suggested, or my insurance, it checked suggested this one, but sometimes like this poor girl undergoing anesthesia and multiple procedures for absolutely no reason. No reason. And so we don't want to, um, expose ourselves to that as patients. We really need to watch out for things like that. Yes. PSA for doctors is please don't do unnecessary procedures.

[00:31:44] Please hold true to do, do no harm. Yeah. And if you're going to teach yoga, please do it for the right reasons. Not, not if you've had to do yoga. Now you talking about him. Y'all, if y'all, I mean, look, I mean, look up the story. Look up the story. It's so worth it. And you see the video of this, this doctor doing yoga half naked on the beach. It is just so sad. And the patients that patients that he's hurt see this as well.

[00:32:14] And they don't feel like justice has been done. So, and for our MSP, MSPs, if a doctor has privileges across multiple facilities, it means more digging for you, baby, more digging for you. Keep up and absolutely check all 50 states. Yes. Do not just go by the state that you're in. If we have to tell you anything, that is the number one suggestion. Uh, in this case, Indiana did a really, really good job, but we want to ensure that they're

[00:32:43] not just hopping from one place to the other or hiding and running and trying to evade, uh, follow up and which consequences for what they're doing. Our stories out of the stories that we just talked about, two of the physicians ran, you know? So again, it's fight or flight. Exactly. With flight being very high up there. I mean, so I think this is crazy Indiana. I think Indiana I'm tired.

[00:33:13] Okay. I'm the, we, we have to wrap it up Indiana. Cause we tired. You have really done us in on this one. Um, medical board. We see you, y'all are doing it and we thank you cause we would be tired if we were in your position. Tell me about it. But what we do have to say is make sure you stay credentialed, not canceled. Thank you. That was a whole nation's worth of tea girl. Oh, how we are just getting started. More States, more scandals, and definitely more receipts.

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